I was disconnected dunno what they are referring to at the start


19:29 <@Moras> why not ;)
19:30 <@Viper> :)
19:30 <@Viper> :)
19:30 <@Viper> :P
19:30 <@Viper> as i was saying
19:30 <@Viper> We either have to really push forward and hard with plugin also working on CSGO now or cut down steambans completely
19:31 <@Moras> CS:GO might be a solution
19:31 <@Viper> cut down being shutdown*
19:31 <@Viper> cut down being shutdown
19:31 <@Moras> but old times wont come back i think
19:31 <@Viper> god this XCHAT sucks
19:31 <@Moras> mine is just fine :P
19:31 <@Viper> yeah it seems ok now
19:31 <@Viper> just dont like the white colors
19:31 <@Viper> i used nonamescript on windows before
19:32 <@Viper> and on mac i have this xchat azure now
19:32 <@Moras> ah
19:32 <@Peace-Maker> isn't csgo support in the works asherkin?
19:32 <@Peace-Maker> hi you 2
19:32 <@Moras> lo guys
19:32 <@asherkin> it's msotly done
19:32 <@asherkin> linux needs some work stilll
19:32 <@Viper> hi Peace-Maker
19:32 <@Moras> last time i asked Live, he said that there is nothing done for CS:GO yet
19:33 <@asherkin> I did it last weekend
19:33 <@Moras> but i wasnt much around during the last week
19:33 <@Viper> since when is Live still developing? asherkin  here is way faster :P
19:33 <@Moras> well
19:33 <@Moras> i dont have xs to this stuff
19:33 <@Moras> so i have to ask devs about it
19:33 <@Viper> but really?. the majority of everyone in here? what do you guys think? continue with steambans or shut it down?
19:33 <@Peace-Maker> you don't have access to what Moras?
19:33 <@asherkin> continue, throwing it away is silly
19:34 <@Peace-Maker> continue
19:34 <@Peace-Maker> ;
19:34 <@Moras> If we plan to continue, then someone has to take my place
19:34 <@asherkin> even if it takes a staff cycle and some time to get it up again
19:34 <@asherkin> it's still to trash years of work and rep
19:34 <@Moras> and basically it should be somoene who has enough time and knowledge
19:35 <@Peace-Maker> why do you start such conversation when i'm about to leave?!
19:35 <@Viper> leave as in leave steambans or leave to work?
19:35 <@asherkin> the latter Viper :P
19:35 <@Peace-Maker> leave to sing :P
19:35 <@Moras> chor :D
19:35 <@Peace-Maker> choir*
19:35 <@Viper> ooo nice, we play singstar here every friday :P
19:35 <@Viper> whahaha
19:35 <@Peace-Maker> :D
19:36 <@Viper> hey, im nr.3 of europe atm :P
19:36 <@Peace-Maker> bb requesting logs
19:36 <@Moras> ciao
19:36 <@Viper> but uhm back on topic
19:36 <@Viper> ttyl Peace-Maker
19:36 <@Viper> there are 4 things that need fixing on steambans
19:36 <@Viper> 1) the website
19:36 <@Viper> 2) plugin
19:36 <@Viper> 3) staff
19:36 <@Viper> 4) new development
19:36 <@Peace-Maker> O_o
19:37 <@Peace-Maker> #sb.v2 ftw
19:37 <@Moras> IF you want to know my personal opinion, then i think that we need new and active devs
19:37 <@Viper> sb.v2
19:37 <@Viper> the 16 yrs plan?
19:37 <@Viper> or what
19:37 <@Moras> there was some work going on last year
19:37 <@Peace-Maker> we started again last year or so
19:38 <@Moras> there was just not enough people to have it going
19:38 <@Peace-Maker> it's hard to find "new devs" if they don't know the old system
19:38 <@asherkin> just to get this out there
19:38 <@Viper> yes but Peace-Maker  this problem keeps going on
19:38 <@Viper> thats the whole problem anyway
19:38 <@asherkin> how do people feel about dropping VSP support for the Source side of the plugin
19:38 <@asherkin> and making it MM:S only
19:39 <@Viper> im seriously thinking of shutting it down
19:39 <@asherkin> actually, for anyone with repo access, I dropped a todo list in there when I was doing CS:GO support
19:39 <@Viper> VSP has been nonsense anyway if you ask me asherkin
19:39 <@Viper> so you can drop it
19:39 <@Peace-Maker> there could be a connection with decreasing user count and a registration bug on the site
19:39 <@Viper> who has xs to the ftp anyway here?
19:40 <@Moras> not me
19:40 <@Peace-Maker> users which ip failed to match to a location got a "database error" when registering
19:40 <@Peace-Maker> me neither
19:40 <@asherkin> I think I have some access
19:40 <@Viper> ugh
19:40 <@Viper> so no one has all?
19:40 <@Moras> Peace-Maker: didnt know about such error, lol
19:41 <@Peace-Maker> fixed it yesterday i think
19:41 <@asherkin> I left releases to Live tbh, just keeping the plugin working
19:42 <@Moras> btw, if it comes to new staff - there wasnt a single good enough application for a while
19:42 <@Peace-Maker> that access drama is another point to discuss .. again
19:42 <@Peace-Maker> gtg..
19:43 <@Moras> and we would need replace like 70% of voting admins
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19:43 <@Moras> i think that its just too much
19:43 <@Viper> one sec
19:43 <@Viper> switching to another irc client
19:43 <@asherkin> Moras: what's happening with the guy that's been bugging us on IRC for an update on his application for like the last 2 weeks
19:44 <@asherkin> "seeeetttt"
19:44 -!- Viper is now known as viper
19:44 <@Moras> he keeps doing that on SF :p
19:44 <@Moras> i told him to wait a while
19:44 -!- viper is now known as Viper
19:44 <@Moras> guess he doesnt know that patience is the key
19:45 <@Moras> basically i was in hospital the last few days
19:45 <@Moras> and nobody did care about the app
19:46 <@Moras> the whole Management is on some sorta vacation
19:46 <@Viper> Ha this client is way better
19:46 <@Viper> awesome
19:46 <@Viper> patience is the key to what?
19:46 <@Viper> and who doesnt know?
19:47 <@asherkin> [17:44] <@asherkin> Moras: what's happening with the guy that's been bugging us on IRC for an update on his application for like the last 2 weeks
19:47 <@asherkin> [17:44] <@asherkin> "seeeetttt"
19:47 <@asherkin> [17:44] <@Moras> he keeps doing that on SF :p
19:47 <@asherkin> [17:44] <@Moras> i told him to wait a while
19:47 <@asherkin> @ Viper
19:47 <@Viper> doing what on SF
19:47 <@Moras> bugging me
19:47 <@Viper> huh
19:48 <@Moras> but thats another story
19:49 <@Moras> I had to wait more then a month for any reply on my application, so a few days for him shouldnt be a big deal :p
19:49 <@Viper> well... this is all very cool and everything
19:49 <@Viper> but i seriously had already made up my mind
19:49 <@Moras> and well i knew that we gona talk about SB future yet, so i felt that wasting time on app talk if not a good idea at all
19:50 <@Viper> and no one here is rly giving me any reason to think otherwise
19:50 <@Moras> you know my opinion
19:50 <@Moras> im sadly taking ur side
19:51 <@Moras> sadly, because like a few months back i would fight for keeping this project alive
19:51 <@Moras> but i dont see any future for it
19:51 <@Moras> anymore*
19:52 <@Viper> neither do i
19:52 <@Viper> for sourcebans i do but steambans i dont
19:52 <@Viper> ill wait a bit for wook
19:52 <@Moras> and basically you think about shutting down everything, or just close ban submission and have the plugin working for a while?
19:52 <@Viper> and then see
19:52 <@Viper> shutting down moras
19:52 <@Viper> i dont do half shutdowns
19:52 <@Viper> :P
19:53 <@Moras> ok
19:53 <@asherkin> no, just impulse descisions :P
19:54 <@asherkin> throwing away 44,909 bans that are trusted and lots of servers rely on...
19:55 <@Moras> tbh just the new ones are good for server owners
19:55 <@Moras> so if we aint active enough in voting
19:55 <@Moras> then rest is just crap
19:55 <@Moras> as mostly VAC pick the older ones
19:56 <@Viper> so?
19:56 <@Viper> its all old bans
19:56 <@Viper> most of the steam id's reflect accounts that arent even active anymore
19:56 <@Moras> yea
19:56 <@Viper> you are talking about steam accounts that for about 60% are already banned by VAC now anyway
19:57 <@Moras> and we have like 1 protest in 2 or 3 months..
19:58 <@Viper> so asherkin i have no idea what you base your comment on
19:59 <@Viper> and impulse decisions are sometimes needed to actually make things happen, otherwise this situation will continue forever with eventually it only costing money.
19:59 <@Viper> plus this isnt an impulse decision, if it was purely upto me i would have taken it down already back in 2010
19:59 <@Viper> but since Wook and Moras here think exactly the same and almost all staff is gone these days
19:59 <@Viper> what is left of a pure banlist that has mostly old steamids
20:00 <@asherkin> well, if it stays, I'll be around to keep the plugin running as long as I can
20:00 <@Viper> id prefer to have all the remaining resources to work on a better sourcebans
20:00 <@asherkin> clearly that's unlikely, as as you've said, your mind is made up
20:00 <@Viper> which we could even expand to a global listing or something
20:00 <@Viper> using even old steambans data if needed
20:00 <@Viper> an alternative idea would be to make steambans the global list of sourcebans
20:01 <@Viper> where admins can submit demos / id's and can also sign up to become a  possible steambans admin
20:01 <@Viper> plus sourcebans would then have an option to enable steambans or not
20:01 <@Viper> win win situation if you ask me
20:02 <@Viper> or am i the only one seeing that as an option?
20:03 <@Moras> someone would need to review those demos
20:03 <@Viper> yes but thats easy
20:03 <@Viper> there are like 15000 sourcebans installs
20:03 <@Viper> of off those we can ask the main admins
20:03 <@Viper> change the rules a bit
20:03 <@Viper> im just saying
20:04 <@Viper> i see an alternative
20:04 <@Viper> i just think the current setup is old
20:05 <@Moras> correct me if im wrong, but SB  was mostly a HL1 project?
20:05 <@Viper> not anymore
20:05 <@Viper> i say lets move on
20:05 <@Viper> Steam IDS
20:05 <@Viper> Source/BF3/MW
20:06 <@Viper> what gameme does with stats, we could do with bans
20:06 <@Moras> its up to you i guess
20:06 <@Viper> no\its upto all of us!
20:07 <@Moras> i wont be here anymore :P
20:07 <@Viper> plus
20:07 <@Viper> i need full xs to steambans
20:07 <@Viper> so we can also setup a new box
20:07 <@Viper> if needed
20:07 <@Moras> think dn or Ice can give you that
20:12 <@Moras> So generally, there is no hope for the current project - and we agree on this, right?
20:13 <@Viper> yes
20:14 <@Moras> im gona send an sms to Wook, if he comes up today :p
20:15 <@Viper> k
20:25 <@Viper> anyway
20:25 <@Viper> im off for now
20:25 <@Viper> we will talk again later i guess
20:26 <@Moras> ok
20:26 <@Moras> you gone be online later on sf?
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22:14 <@Peace-Maker> how did it turn out?
22:17 <@Moras> Viper needs to talk with Wook also
22:17 <@Moras> but:
22:17 <@Moras> <Moras> So generally, there is no hope for the current project - and we agree on this, right?
22:17 <@Moras> <Viper> yes
22:17 <@Peace-Maker> dope
22:18 <@Peace-Maker> mind pasting the whole log?
22:18 <@Moras> sure
22:22 <@Moras> http://pokazywarka.pl/dzpmja/
22:30 <@Peace-Maker> ):
22:48 <@Moras> sad, but i dont see other way
22:50 <@Peace-Maker> how about adding csgo support and monitor the activity afterwards
22:51 <@Moras> well
22:51 <@Moras> who is going to review the current demos?
22:52 <@Peace-Maker> who's in the voting team?
22:53 <@Moras> maybe 2 active guys
22:53 <@Moras> and they aint voting machines
22:54 <@Peace-Maker> now how did that happen?
22:57 <@Moras> people found out that they prefer to play, or do other things then just watch demos i guess
22:59 <@Moras> just a few people managed to stay active for a long time during SB history
23:00 <@Moras> ofc in the place of the not active ones, someone new came
23:01 <@Moras> but here also the amount of candidates reduced
23:01 <@Moras> no matter how you look into it, its all fucked up :F


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